Defences of Atheism 

My previous post on atheism provoked quite a lot of comments. Atheists are obviously very attached to their position.

A lot of the discussion came from my asking, what is this god you don’t believe in. It seems to come down to not accepting that there is some superior being, a sort of philosophical Brexit, taking back control by the new god science from sclerotic old religion.

This still appears to me a rather limited perspective. What about the mystery that always lies at the heart of existence – such as the uncaused cause that came before the big bang. What about the reality of spiritual experience, attested by the personal experience of so many over the ages. What about the inner of things, eg consciousness, that cannot be explained by materialistic outers.

An immanent and transcendent one God offers one perspective that would relate to all these. I’m not saying I believe or have faith in this perspective, but it does appear a valid position. I’m more inclined to the view that consciousness is as much part of reality as matter, ie everything has inner and outer, the whole being a mysterious evolutionary  emergence (see eg Steve McIntosh’s book in recent post). I’m still open/agnostic to the concept of the one God.

I’m not clear whether atheism has anything to say here, other than cling to its scientific materialistic certainty. But no doubt I’m misrepresenting atheism and some kind person will enlighten me!

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6 thoughts on “Defences of Atheism 

  1. My only defense in any of this, my only comment, is: God would be his own proof. And God would not NEED proof. If there were a God that created stuff and made people and such, there would be no belief system necessary, no worshiping, no sects and cults and varying religions in every language and culture, no Holy Wars (my god is better than your god, neener neener)…
    If he existed we would have no need to discuss any of this, or pray to him, or curse him. He would just be. In everyone.

    And thinking about that, suddenly thinking about what it would be like to be owned, possessed, and driven by a universal god, is probably the creepiest thing I can think of. ::shudder::

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    • It’s surely all in the way we look at it. Yes, creepy from one perspective – but what if we see life as a process of, with free will, seeking through all the joy, sorrow, mistakes, learning of the ego for the God within, to find we are really all one.

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  2. Atheism is a many-splendored thing. There are many subsets within, based largely on your question: What is it that you find unbelievable, exactly?
    Don’t blame the atheists for that. The massive imprecision, incoherence, and subsequent equivocation within theology, invites a variety of objections.
    Without even delving far into the metaphysics – is god comprehensible, incomprehensible, or – and no kidding, this is a very common assertion – incompletely incomprehensible?
    How do you come at that mess from one direction?
    Anyway, I think your question is a reasonable starting point, or at least as reasonable as any other.

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  3. Lol, anything that is incompletely incomprehensible is right up there with the tooth fairy and smoke. If it’s incomprehensible why do so many people insist on telling us they know what god is. They know what he’s thinking and doing. And yet only a bit, which is where the incompletely comes it. they have an answer for all of it, one of which is, with a vague wave of the hands. “oh, we aren’t meant to actually know god.” pause. “at least that’s what he wrote in the bible.” okey dokey.

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  4. I can’t answer for other people.
    There are different levels of understanding which have totally different conceptions of what religion/spirituality and god are all about. Reliance on words in a holy book would be a fairly low level from this perspective. But this is all far too complex for comments on comments…

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